veni001
04-05 09:57 AM
I strongly doubt your argument. For the past six months , Demand data before Jan1st,2006 stayed zero for EB2 I/C. If USCIS thinks one of those pre 2006 cases are approvable then we would see this reflect in DOS demand data.
At the end of the day, whatever data that is listed in Demand data is all that matters. Since it is the only determining factor for setting VB dates and nothing else
"EB2 I demand from the inventory btwn May - Dec 06 = 12K
But Demand data says EB2-I demand is 13,200
Diff : 13,200 - 12K = 1200 ( This number has to be porting)"
Krish,
Same applies to your porting calculations! DOS will go by the inventory data provided by USCIS and have no clue on who is getting approved, regular or ported.
If you would like we can interpret it differently....
The demand data published by DOS for October 2010 show 13,125 prior to 2007 and for April 2011 it is 13,200 which means increase of 75 only + approved cases( since PD did not move)
Assuming all cases approved from Oct-2010 till March 2011 are porting, means 233*6=1,398.
In this case total porting is only 1,398+75 = 1,473
In reality we don't really know how many of the approved cases(1,398) are ported.
Just for year 2005 October 2010 inventory show 756 cases pending and January 2011 inventory show only 573! which means 183 cases are either approved or denied in addition to ported cases for the same period.
If you look at EB3 Inventory for FY 2005 went up from 8,262 to 8,529 during the same period:confused:
At the end of the day, whatever data that is listed in Demand data is all that matters. Since it is the only determining factor for setting VB dates and nothing else
"EB2 I demand from the inventory btwn May - Dec 06 = 12K
But Demand data says EB2-I demand is 13,200
Diff : 13,200 - 12K = 1200 ( This number has to be porting)"
Krish,
Same applies to your porting calculations! DOS will go by the inventory data provided by USCIS and have no clue on who is getting approved, regular or ported.
If you would like we can interpret it differently....
The demand data published by DOS for October 2010 show 13,125 prior to 2007 and for April 2011 it is 13,200 which means increase of 75 only + approved cases( since PD did not move)
Assuming all cases approved from Oct-2010 till March 2011 are porting, means 233*6=1,398.
In this case total porting is only 1,398+75 = 1,473
In reality we don't really know how many of the approved cases(1,398) are ported.
Just for year 2005 October 2010 inventory show 756 cases pending and January 2011 inventory show only 573! which means 183 cases are either approved or denied in addition to ported cases for the same period.
If you look at EB3 Inventory for FY 2005 went up from 8,262 to 8,529 during the same period:confused:
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BumbleBee
04-17 04:52 PM
100% agree with 'whitecollarslave'. The case is not about h1b worker, but an AOS pending status worker, I would think this status is very similar/same as asylees, and refugees.
I think taking h1b out of equation would help 'OSC' see through.
I think taking h1b out of equation would help 'OSC' see through.
logiclife
12-31 04:01 PM
Ok,
I was looking at the bill by Arlen Specter.
Title III Section 312 on page 7 and Title 5 Section 501 on page 8 are definately something to keep an eye out for and channel our efforts in every which way to make sure that stay in the bill and are not thrown out by any committee, subcommitee etc. in House or Senate.
Any thoughts anyone?
I was looking at the bill by Arlen Specter.
Title III Section 312 on page 7 and Title 5 Section 501 on page 8 are definately something to keep an eye out for and channel our efforts in every which way to make sure that stay in the bill and are not thrown out by any committee, subcommitee etc. in House or Senate.
Any thoughts anyone?
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lotsofspace
01-26 10:37 AM
They can make the list more readable by putting something like this
"All African countries except South Africa"
How about "all non-white people require a visa" :)
"All African countries except South Africa"
How about "all non-white people require a visa" :)
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amitjoey
07-09 07:54 PM
We need media, print media. Talk shows, ?.? dont know.
Hunter
05-10 02:18 AM
Most of what Hunter has said is not wrong. Exploitation and malpractices by small/big consulting companies is a reality.
But then there are other things that he is simply stereotyping because of personal impact and resulting hatred. Generally implying that foreign workers are crap and cause wage depression isn't true. Wages in IT industry are destined to go down with time because of
Thank you for admitting most of what I stated here true. Actually all of what I stated here as �skills� are based on my experience in IT management over the last decade. If you suddenly found my post to be stereo typing, you were blind to the stereotypes propagated in this forum for a long time.
With regard to quality of professionals overall I don't see a marked difference between American and non-American workers. Moreover, I don't think that employers will employ substandard labor just because they are marginally cheap, because it turns out to be more expensive. In all the cases that H1-B and L1 pocket less money than their counterparts the booty goes to middlemen(both Indian and American bodyshps) and not the companies that ultimately use their skills.
You are wrong here. Do you know that companies like TCS/INFY/Wipro offer �blended rates� in the range of $20+/hr for keeping over 70% of staff offshore? Client directly benefits here. I have seen hypocritical companies that took tax benefits from local governments like cities and counties (which came at the expense of property taxes paid by residents of those localities) for job creation and then turned around and outsourced the very same jobs that they were supposed to create to TCS/Wipro/INFY etc., often dismissing the existing contractor pool/employees which involved people of all nationalities including H1-b workers like �TN Man� who couldn�t compete with the $30+ rates for the on-shore workers even if something was available from these vendors. Now to dump people at $30/hr rate, even though talent is locally available - like "TN Man", these vendors will abuse H1 and L1 by securing as many of these visas as they can( which were intended to bring the best and the brightest for american companies), causing Bill Gates to advocate for unlimited H1-bs when in reality, what he needs is a few thousand H1-bs which should be available in normal circumstances, had these companies not been poaching those visas.
So these offshore companies circumvented the prevailing wages through an industrial practice that should be considered �dumping�, where they dumped green-horns for the greedy clients, because the green-horns don�t have to go through any interviews in exchange of the very low rates. In this case, the people dismissed from the company/contractors were a lot more skilled, yet managers like me would be forced to start from scratch with the new pool, often resulting in delays for strategic initiatives at these companies, but the bean counters at the top never care, since their horizon is the next quarterly earning release, not what the company would do 2 years down the line (and some of these companies are the culprits behind financial crisis today with their very myopic thinking, just a sample was illustrated above)
The only jobs that were created in those localities due to such corporations in exchange for tax credits often were Indian Grocery shops opening in that locality to cater to those folks from offshore vendors. :D BTW, I don't have anything against them, I like Indian food.
I have worked with companies where I managed a 50+ member team to execute a project which at another company employing local workforce may have been done with a 12-15 person team (I have managed it both ways and hence I know that as a fact). Now the company employing the 50+ member team will often massage the numbers to show that they saved $x differential per person* 50 for the bean counters and would have secured bonuses for the higher ups because of those paper savings.
Now I think as a result of people like me interacting with US law-makers, they are getting the true picture of the abuse going on with the current processes. I understand many of you here are concerned about your own career and eventually settling in US, but once you become a permanent resident or US Citizen, you are going to face the same realities. I have seen Indian-americans who went through the GC/Citizenship process becoming some of the the fiercest critics of the current system, because (like "TN Man"), their livelihoods also are threatened by the current process. They suddenly understand that it has nothing to do with the so-called "skill" or "talent" shortage, it has everything to do with what your hourly billing rate is.
But then there are other things that he is simply stereotyping because of personal impact and resulting hatred. Generally implying that foreign workers are crap and cause wage depression isn't true. Wages in IT industry are destined to go down with time because of
Thank you for admitting most of what I stated here true. Actually all of what I stated here as �skills� are based on my experience in IT management over the last decade. If you suddenly found my post to be stereo typing, you were blind to the stereotypes propagated in this forum for a long time.
With regard to quality of professionals overall I don't see a marked difference between American and non-American workers. Moreover, I don't think that employers will employ substandard labor just because they are marginally cheap, because it turns out to be more expensive. In all the cases that H1-B and L1 pocket less money than their counterparts the booty goes to middlemen(both Indian and American bodyshps) and not the companies that ultimately use their skills.
You are wrong here. Do you know that companies like TCS/INFY/Wipro offer �blended rates� in the range of $20+/hr for keeping over 70% of staff offshore? Client directly benefits here. I have seen hypocritical companies that took tax benefits from local governments like cities and counties (which came at the expense of property taxes paid by residents of those localities) for job creation and then turned around and outsourced the very same jobs that they were supposed to create to TCS/Wipro/INFY etc., often dismissing the existing contractor pool/employees which involved people of all nationalities including H1-b workers like �TN Man� who couldn�t compete with the $30+ rates for the on-shore workers even if something was available from these vendors. Now to dump people at $30/hr rate, even though talent is locally available - like "TN Man", these vendors will abuse H1 and L1 by securing as many of these visas as they can( which were intended to bring the best and the brightest for american companies), causing Bill Gates to advocate for unlimited H1-bs when in reality, what he needs is a few thousand H1-bs which should be available in normal circumstances, had these companies not been poaching those visas.
So these offshore companies circumvented the prevailing wages through an industrial practice that should be considered �dumping�, where they dumped green-horns for the greedy clients, because the green-horns don�t have to go through any interviews in exchange of the very low rates. In this case, the people dismissed from the company/contractors were a lot more skilled, yet managers like me would be forced to start from scratch with the new pool, often resulting in delays for strategic initiatives at these companies, but the bean counters at the top never care, since their horizon is the next quarterly earning release, not what the company would do 2 years down the line (and some of these companies are the culprits behind financial crisis today with their very myopic thinking, just a sample was illustrated above)
The only jobs that were created in those localities due to such corporations in exchange for tax credits often were Indian Grocery shops opening in that locality to cater to those folks from offshore vendors. :D BTW, I don't have anything against them, I like Indian food.
I have worked with companies where I managed a 50+ member team to execute a project which at another company employing local workforce may have been done with a 12-15 person team (I have managed it both ways and hence I know that as a fact). Now the company employing the 50+ member team will often massage the numbers to show that they saved $x differential per person* 50 for the bean counters and would have secured bonuses for the higher ups because of those paper savings.
Now I think as a result of people like me interacting with US law-makers, they are getting the true picture of the abuse going on with the current processes. I understand many of you here are concerned about your own career and eventually settling in US, but once you become a permanent resident or US Citizen, you are going to face the same realities. I have seen Indian-americans who went through the GC/Citizenship process becoming some of the the fiercest critics of the current system, because (like "TN Man"), their livelihoods also are threatened by the current process. They suddenly understand that it has nothing to do with the so-called "skill" or "talent" shortage, it has everything to do with what your hourly billing rate is.
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Chiwere
08-20 12:08 PM
I checked my Vonage account which I have had for 3 years now - I was on a Premium unlimited plan for $24.99 I found out on logging in today. Changed to World plan just now for no charge. It's Awesome. Thanks to OP!
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mbawa2574
05-09 07:53 AM
This would be a good move on part of BJP.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/BJP-to-link-N-deal-execution-to-US-outsourcing-move/articleshow/4492192.cms
Let Obama feel the heat. US has to understand that they have no native skills and they are in deep debt. Let more jobs go away in this country if Mr. Obama does not stop his actions.
In nutshell- Election of Obama is bad for Indians / Skilled workers.
Yankee ( Moderate)Republicans are any day better then hard liberals & right-wing conservatives. Now we are seeing that Obama & Tancredo have the same agenda to scr*w us.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/BJP-to-link-N-deal-execution-to-US-outsourcing-move/articleshow/4492192.cms
Let Obama feel the heat. US has to understand that they have no native skills and they are in deep debt. Let more jobs go away in this country if Mr. Obama does not stop his actions.
In nutshell- Election of Obama is bad for Indians / Skilled workers.
Yankee ( Moderate)Republicans are any day better then hard liberals & right-wing conservatives. Now we are seeing that Obama & Tancredo have the same agenda to scr*w us.
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kumarc123
08-07 11:52 AM
Man...looks like you will turn anti-immigrant once you get US citizenship.
Whats your real problem?
HAHa:)
Good one
Whats your real problem?
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01-13 09:21 PM
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sundar61982
08-13 05:20 AM
Posted the first message in a different place.. Got the approval notice "Welcome to United States of America" in mail yesterday morning as well..
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Got email approvals on our I485 with PD of Mar10 2006 on EB-2..
For myself:
On August 5, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before receiving your card, please call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.
Your Case Status: Card/ Document Production
On August 6, 2010, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you. If we need something from you we will contact you. If you move before you receive the card, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.
For my spouse:
On August 5, 2010, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you. If we need something from you we will contact you. If you move before you receive the card, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.
Country of Chargeability
India
Service Center
Nebraska
Labor Type
Perm
Perm Center
Atlanta
Labor Approval Date
03/10/2006
I140-I485 Concurrent Filing
Yes
I140 Mailed Date
05/10/2006
I140 Filing Type
Regular
I140 Approval Date
10/17/2006
July 2007 Filer
Yes
I485 Mailed Date
07/30/2007
I485 USCIS Rcvd Date
08/06/2007
I485 Rcpt Notice Date
09/10/2007
Finger Print Notice Date
09/18/2007
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Got email approvals on our I485 with PD of Mar10 2006 on EB-2..
For myself:
On August 5, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before receiving your card, please call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.
Your Case Status: Card/ Document Production
On August 6, 2010, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you. If we need something from you we will contact you. If you move before you receive the card, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.
For my spouse:
On August 5, 2010, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you. If we need something from you we will contact you. If you move before you receive the card, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.
Country of Chargeability
India
Service Center
Nebraska
Labor Type
Perm
Perm Center
Atlanta
Labor Approval Date
03/10/2006
I140-I485 Concurrent Filing
Yes
I140 Mailed Date
05/10/2006
I140 Filing Type
Regular
I140 Approval Date
10/17/2006
July 2007 Filer
Yes
I485 Mailed Date
07/30/2007
I485 USCIS Rcvd Date
08/06/2007
I485 Rcpt Notice Date
09/10/2007
Finger Print Notice Date
09/18/2007
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prasadn
09-23 05:07 PM
A basic question - Are the months that the numbers are slotted into for the Priority Dates? or are they the recept date or something else....?
If PD, then how come there are numbers for 2008 and 2009? The PD has never been current since July 2007....
Questions & Answers: Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Inventory
Q: Why is the wait so long for my employment-based green card?
A: A visa must be available before a person can obtain an employment-based green card. Because more people want a green card than there are visas available, not everyone who wants a green card can get one immediately. Therefore, some people have to wait in line until a visa is available. The U.S. Department of State (DOS) gives out 140,000 employment-based visas each year. About 85% of those visas go to people seeking a green card in the United States, while about 15% go to people seeking to immigrate from abroad. Currently, about 234,000 people have employment-based adjustment of status (green card) applications pending in the United States and are waiting to get a visa. How long you wait for a visa depends on the supply and demand for your particular preference category, your priority date, and the country your visa will be charged to, usually your country of birth.
Q: How can I determine my place in line based on my priority date?
A: Your preference category, priority date, and country of origin determine your place in line for a visa. The earlier your priority date is, the closer you are to the front of the line. To better assist you in knowing your place in line, we are posting a report of our total pending inventory of applications for employment-based green cards (Form I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status) for those seeking to adjust status in the United States. See the �Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report� link to the right. We are also posting five other reports by country of chargeability (China, India, Mexico, Philippines, and All Other Chargeability) (see the links to the right).
The �Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report,� displays the total number of pending adjustment of status applications, per preference classification. The report shows how many pending adjustment of status (green card) applications in each preference classification have priority dates in a given month and year. You can use this chart to determine how many applicants in your preference classification have priority dates in the same month and year as your own. Also, you can determine how many applicants in your preference classification are ahead of you in line for a visa number by adding together the number of cases with an earlier priority date than your own.
The All Other Chargeability report shows how many applicants from countries other than China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines have priority dates in a given month and year. The report is broken down into separate charts for each preference classification. If you are from a country other than China, India, Mexico, or the Philippines, you can use this chart to determine how many applicants for adjustment of status in the same preference classification have a priority date in the same month and year as your own. This chart also lets you know how many applicants in the same preference classification have earlier priority dates.
Because of historically higher demand for visas from China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines, each of those countries has its own separate report. As published in the DOS Visa Bulletin, applicants from those countries will need to have earlier priority dates than like applicants from other countries to get a visa in any given month. If you are from China, India, Mexico, or the Philippines, you may want to use the report for your particular country. Your country report will show you how many applicants from the same country and preference classification have a priority date in the same month and year as your own. The report will also let you know how many applicants from the same country and preference classification have earlier priority dates.
Q: Which report should I use, the Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report or the country-specific reports?
A: All applicants for an employment-based green card may use the pending Form I-485 report to determine their place in line for a visa. Because certain countries experience higher demand than others, applicants in these �oversubscribed� countries may move forward in line more slowly than applicants in countries experiencing less demand. In other words, in order to obtain a visa, applicants in oversubscribed countries may need to have earlier priority dates than applicants in countries experiencing less demand. Applicants in oversubscribed countries may therefore want to also refer to the report for their specific country of chargeability to determine where they stand in line with other applicants from that country.
Q: What information do I need to have before using the pending Form I-485 inventory reports?
A: You need to know your priority date and your preference category to use the pending Form I-485 inventory reports. For more information on priority dates and preference categories, see the �Visa Availability & Priority Dates� and �Green Card Eligibility� links to the right.
Q: How do I read the pending I-485 inventory reports?
A: First, click on the link to the report you want to view. Once you click on the link, the report will appear and you will see a series of charts, one for each preference category. You will see that each chart has different numbers for each month and year. These numbers show how many green card applicants have priority dates in that month and year. To figure out how many applicants have earlier priority dates, add all the numbers from all the cells that correspond to earlier months.
Q: Can you tell me when I will get a visa?
A: Unfortunately, we cannot determine how long it will take for you to get a visa. However, we hope that by showing applicants with a pending Form I-485 where they stand in line to get a visa, you will get a better sense of how long it may take. We intend to update the data in these reports quarterly. By comparing newer versions of the reports with older ones, you may see that the number of applicants ahead of you has gotten smaller, and you may be able to tell how much shorter the line has become. We hope this will give you an even better sense of how long it may take for you to get a visa.
Q: Can you provide me an example of how to use the pending Form I-485 inventory charts?
A: Assume your priority date is in January 2007, your petition was approved for third preference, and you are from China. Using the Sample �Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report,� below you will see on the third preference chart that there are 2,618 applicants with a priority date in the same month and year as your priority date.
If you want to find out how many third-preference green card applicants have an earlier priority date than yours, you will need to add all the numbers starting with the number at the beginning of the table, January 1997, and ending with the number immediately before the month and year of your own priority date, December 2006. You will see that there are 131,341 third-preference applicants who have a priority date earlier than yours.
Q: How do I know how many applicants from my country have an earlier priority date than mine?
A: Assume your priority date is in June 2005, your petition was approved for third preference, and you are from India. Using the Sample �I-485 Inventory for Individuals Born in India Report� below, you will see that there are 175 green card applicants from India with a priority date in June 2005.
To find out how many applicants born in India have an earlier priority date than yours, add all the numbers starting at January 1997 and ending at May 2005. You will see that there are 42,796 third-preference applicants from India with a priority date earlier than yours.
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If PD, then how come there are numbers for 2008 and 2009? The PD has never been current since July 2007....
Questions & Answers: Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Inventory
Q: Why is the wait so long for my employment-based green card?
A: A visa must be available before a person can obtain an employment-based green card. Because more people want a green card than there are visas available, not everyone who wants a green card can get one immediately. Therefore, some people have to wait in line until a visa is available. The U.S. Department of State (DOS) gives out 140,000 employment-based visas each year. About 85% of those visas go to people seeking a green card in the United States, while about 15% go to people seeking to immigrate from abroad. Currently, about 234,000 people have employment-based adjustment of status (green card) applications pending in the United States and are waiting to get a visa. How long you wait for a visa depends on the supply and demand for your particular preference category, your priority date, and the country your visa will be charged to, usually your country of birth.
Q: How can I determine my place in line based on my priority date?
A: Your preference category, priority date, and country of origin determine your place in line for a visa. The earlier your priority date is, the closer you are to the front of the line. To better assist you in knowing your place in line, we are posting a report of our total pending inventory of applications for employment-based green cards (Form I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status) for those seeking to adjust status in the United States. See the �Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report� link to the right. We are also posting five other reports by country of chargeability (China, India, Mexico, Philippines, and All Other Chargeability) (see the links to the right).
The �Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report,� displays the total number of pending adjustment of status applications, per preference classification. The report shows how many pending adjustment of status (green card) applications in each preference classification have priority dates in a given month and year. You can use this chart to determine how many applicants in your preference classification have priority dates in the same month and year as your own. Also, you can determine how many applicants in your preference classification are ahead of you in line for a visa number by adding together the number of cases with an earlier priority date than your own.
The All Other Chargeability report shows how many applicants from countries other than China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines have priority dates in a given month and year. The report is broken down into separate charts for each preference classification. If you are from a country other than China, India, Mexico, or the Philippines, you can use this chart to determine how many applicants for adjustment of status in the same preference classification have a priority date in the same month and year as your own. This chart also lets you know how many applicants in the same preference classification have earlier priority dates.
Because of historically higher demand for visas from China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines, each of those countries has its own separate report. As published in the DOS Visa Bulletin, applicants from those countries will need to have earlier priority dates than like applicants from other countries to get a visa in any given month. If you are from China, India, Mexico, or the Philippines, you may want to use the report for your particular country. Your country report will show you how many applicants from the same country and preference classification have a priority date in the same month and year as your own. The report will also let you know how many applicants from the same country and preference classification have earlier priority dates.
Q: Which report should I use, the Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report or the country-specific reports?
A: All applicants for an employment-based green card may use the pending Form I-485 report to determine their place in line for a visa. Because certain countries experience higher demand than others, applicants in these �oversubscribed� countries may move forward in line more slowly than applicants in countries experiencing less demand. In other words, in order to obtain a visa, applicants in oversubscribed countries may need to have earlier priority dates than applicants in countries experiencing less demand. Applicants in oversubscribed countries may therefore want to also refer to the report for their specific country of chargeability to determine where they stand in line with other applicants from that country.
Q: What information do I need to have before using the pending Form I-485 inventory reports?
A: You need to know your priority date and your preference category to use the pending Form I-485 inventory reports. For more information on priority dates and preference categories, see the �Visa Availability & Priority Dates� and �Green Card Eligibility� links to the right.
Q: How do I read the pending I-485 inventory reports?
A: First, click on the link to the report you want to view. Once you click on the link, the report will appear and you will see a series of charts, one for each preference category. You will see that each chart has different numbers for each month and year. These numbers show how many green card applicants have priority dates in that month and year. To figure out how many applicants have earlier priority dates, add all the numbers from all the cells that correspond to earlier months.
Q: Can you tell me when I will get a visa?
A: Unfortunately, we cannot determine how long it will take for you to get a visa. However, we hope that by showing applicants with a pending Form I-485 where they stand in line to get a visa, you will get a better sense of how long it may take. We intend to update the data in these reports quarterly. By comparing newer versions of the reports with older ones, you may see that the number of applicants ahead of you has gotten smaller, and you may be able to tell how much shorter the line has become. We hope this will give you an even better sense of how long it may take for you to get a visa.
Q: Can you provide me an example of how to use the pending Form I-485 inventory charts?
A: Assume your priority date is in January 2007, your petition was approved for third preference, and you are from China. Using the Sample �Pending Employment-Based Form I-485 Report,� below you will see on the third preference chart that there are 2,618 applicants with a priority date in the same month and year as your priority date.
If you want to find out how many third-preference green card applicants have an earlier priority date than yours, you will need to add all the numbers starting with the number at the beginning of the table, January 1997, and ending with the number immediately before the month and year of your own priority date, December 2006. You will see that there are 131,341 third-preference applicants who have a priority date earlier than yours.
Q: How do I know how many applicants from my country have an earlier priority date than mine?
A: Assume your priority date is in June 2005, your petition was approved for third preference, and you are from India. Using the Sample �I-485 Inventory for Individuals Born in India Report� below, you will see that there are 175 green card applicants from India with a priority date in June 2005.
To find out how many applicants born in India have an earlier priority date than yours, add all the numbers starting at January 1997 and ending at May 2005. You will see that there are 42,796 third-preference applicants from India with a priority date earlier than yours.
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himu73
07-09 11:39 PM
I cannot comprehend this person's thinking. We are gathering a movement here wherein there is no question of country India/China etc and this person is trying to explain how we need to behave. Nobody on the forum is here for only the GREEN card itself. That will come with time.
Great leaders like Mahatma Gandhi inspire so many even now because they laid out a roadmap on how to tackle injustice and make the person in front of you realize his mistake (India freedom struggle) thorugh peaceful and legal path.
We are similarly trying to gather a movement wherein we want to show the injustice meted out to so many. There are so many scenrios and you just try to single out certain people.
When you say India is great just try to follow some princeples of its great leaders. That would give you a better perspective about IVians.
You need to look around do some introspection.
I consider all IVians as a family. Please dont try to break this bond by making such disruptive posts.
My case.
1. Came here in July 1999
2. Filed EB3 2003. Lawyer messed up and forgot the file in his cabinet for 18 months.
3. Filed EB3 again in July 2004.
4. Stuck in BEC.
This is just a message to 2005/2006/2007 PD guys. Please don't think that some miracle will happen and dates will be current soon, it will take its own time. Mostly for EB2 & EB3June 2006- June 2007 guys, it will be like a lottery if the PD becomes current somewhere in 2007 Oct-Nov time. Right??
So life is not always easy. There are people waiting since 2002-03-04.
Don't think that life is not a FIFO always.
Why some of the guys became violent when I said, INDIA IS GREAT???
Guys.. do you know why I always feel like this???
As my parents,in laws and most of my relatives stay there. Not only mine, allmost all guys who are in the IV, they must have parents and relatives in India for sure. There is no other reason why I said India is great.
Someone asked me to pack up... YES, I will if nothing happens;however, I will be waiting to see the progress for sure. This is July. Let's have a look over OCT bulletin after 2 months and for sure dates will move atleast 4-6 months for EB2 guys and 1 year for EB3 guys. So wait, be patient, instead of doing all this.
Anyway, our turn will come sooner or later, so why to become impatient just seeing the JULY bulletin CURRENT and then "U".
Mainly this is the message for 2005-2006-2007 PD guys. Please don't take it otherwise.
Great leaders like Mahatma Gandhi inspire so many even now because they laid out a roadmap on how to tackle injustice and make the person in front of you realize his mistake (India freedom struggle) thorugh peaceful and legal path.
We are similarly trying to gather a movement wherein we want to show the injustice meted out to so many. There are so many scenrios and you just try to single out certain people.
When you say India is great just try to follow some princeples of its great leaders. That would give you a better perspective about IVians.
You need to look around do some introspection.
I consider all IVians as a family. Please dont try to break this bond by making such disruptive posts.
My case.
1. Came here in July 1999
2. Filed EB3 2003. Lawyer messed up and forgot the file in his cabinet for 18 months.
3. Filed EB3 again in July 2004.
4. Stuck in BEC.
This is just a message to 2005/2006/2007 PD guys. Please don't think that some miracle will happen and dates will be current soon, it will take its own time. Mostly for EB2 & EB3June 2006- June 2007 guys, it will be like a lottery if the PD becomes current somewhere in 2007 Oct-Nov time. Right??
So life is not always easy. There are people waiting since 2002-03-04.
Don't think that life is not a FIFO always.
Why some of the guys became violent when I said, INDIA IS GREAT???
Guys.. do you know why I always feel like this???
As my parents,in laws and most of my relatives stay there. Not only mine, allmost all guys who are in the IV, they must have parents and relatives in India for sure. There is no other reason why I said India is great.
Someone asked me to pack up... YES, I will if nothing happens;however, I will be waiting to see the progress for sure. This is July. Let's have a look over OCT bulletin after 2 months and for sure dates will move atleast 4-6 months for EB2 guys and 1 year for EB3 guys. So wait, be patient, instead of doing all this.
Anyway, our turn will come sooner or later, so why to become impatient just seeing the JULY bulletin CURRENT and then "U".
Mainly this is the message for 2005-2006-2007 PD guys. Please don't take it otherwise.
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mallickarjunreddy
03-26 01:33 PM
what happens if ur wife gets hired by CAP one and she has problems after getting into a organization .. so i think you can think about fighting but also look for other options and would u do the same thing if you were in India assuming u r from India or just move on
Right but the here problem is that how to come up with written evidence of discrimination? These jerks do not send you an email "Hey, we do not consider EAD". Their pattern is generally as under.
You get an first email for their interest as your resume matches teh job
description and they want you to spit out everything in your reply
Say you have written " Authorized to work for Any employer in USA" for
work status, they do not communicate to have you spitted out specifics.
They call you. If you do not spit out, they would not go ahead. If you spit
out "EAD" smart ones do not even talk further and you find all
communication stopped. Now this is my own experience. Tell me how can
I convert this into "evidence of discrimination". Even if I have tape
recorded conversation, that guy did not utter any single word after I
spitted out "EAD"
Right but the here problem is that how to come up with written evidence of discrimination? These jerks do not send you an email "Hey, we do not consider EAD". Their pattern is generally as under.
You get an first email for their interest as your resume matches teh job
description and they want you to spit out everything in your reply
Say you have written " Authorized to work for Any employer in USA" for
work status, they do not communicate to have you spitted out specifics.
They call you. If you do not spit out, they would not go ahead. If you spit
out "EAD" smart ones do not even talk further and you find all
communication stopped. Now this is my own experience. Tell me how can
I convert this into "evidence of discrimination". Even if I have tape
recorded conversation, that guy did not utter any single word after I
spitted out "EAD"
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SamTheChapu
08-19 06:09 PM
Congrats!!!! Can you please tell the SR process? Do we have to tell the reason why we want SR on the case? If yes, what was your reason to open SR? Thanks!
You call the 1 800 number
Call 1 800 375 5283 and choose option 1 for English
* choose option 2 for checking case status
* Enter receipt number ........., select 1 to confirm the LIN number is correct
* It reads out the information which you can already see online
* It gives me few options to select now:- (To repeat press 1, to check another case press 2, to report a problem with this case press 3,
Press option 3 (problem with case) and then listen carefully to choose "case is outside processing time" and that should lead you to the representative
note down representative name and his id.
Tell him your information (A number, name, address, priority date etc when he asks for it) and tell him you are current and the case is outside processing time (it's too old case as the information online says they are processing 2009/2010 I 485 cases) and ask him the status of the case.
Ask him that you want to know about if the name check is completed, FBI background clearance passed etc and where is your case right now (assigned to any IO?)
This should trigger him to open an SR. Note down SR number.
You call the 1 800 number
Call 1 800 375 5283 and choose option 1 for English
* choose option 2 for checking case status
* Enter receipt number ........., select 1 to confirm the LIN number is correct
* It reads out the information which you can already see online
* It gives me few options to select now:- (To repeat press 1, to check another case press 2, to report a problem with this case press 3,
Press option 3 (problem with case) and then listen carefully to choose "case is outside processing time" and that should lead you to the representative
note down representative name and his id.
Tell him your information (A number, name, address, priority date etc when he asks for it) and tell him you are current and the case is outside processing time (it's too old case as the information online says they are processing 2009/2010 I 485 cases) and ask him the status of the case.
Ask him that you want to know about if the name check is completed, FBI background clearance passed etc and where is your case right now (assigned to any IO?)
This should trigger him to open an SR. Note down SR number.
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priderock
06-29 03:59 PM
Oh's website is like a thanks giving store sale. Stores advertise super duper low prices for stuff and when you get there, they will just say that the item is sold out. They only keep handful in the inventory so the first few who camped out overnight will get it and rest will get frustration. The main idea is to bring people in the store so that they will buy other stuff where they are there.
Oh also uses the same tactic. He just announces sensational news all the time so people keep visiting his web site and more often than not, he'll just go back and retract the statement. The idea is not to share news but to keep the traffic coming on his website and some might end up becoming his client.
I say the trick works. Even though I know that not everything he says can be trusted, I still visit his website to see if he has any new rumor.
May not be a rumor any more :(
Oh also uses the same tactic. He just announces sensational news all the time so people keep visiting his web site and more often than not, he'll just go back and retract the statement. The idea is not to share news but to keep the traffic coming on his website and some might end up becoming his client.
I say the trick works. Even though I know that not everything he says can be trusted, I still visit his website to see if he has any new rumor.
May not be a rumor any more :(
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jsb
09-24 09:04 AM
Another thread tells USCIS offices are shuttling cases around. See below
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13685
No one is sure where you case has been sent to (at least until you get receipt...or even after that). Weekly updates only tell about the cases each office decided to keep. No one knows about transferred (or yet undecided as to where to send) cases...weekly updates don't apply to them !!!
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13685
No one is sure where you case has been sent to (at least until you get receipt...or even after that). Weekly updates only tell about the cases each office decided to keep. No one knows about transferred (or yet undecided as to where to send) cases...weekly updates don't apply to them !!!
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akela_topchi
08-07 11:54 AM
I thought you already left for the law firm...
I am impressed by your qualifications, what is your PD?
I am impressed by your qualifications, what is your PD?
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rajeshalex
10-13 06:45 PM
u wont get 20% discount and referral at same time. I talked to the CS. So she told me go with the referral first, complete the referral month and then prepay for the one year starting from that date.
Macaca
12-05 04:45 PM
AMY GOODMAN: Our guest for the hour is Lou Dobbs, well known as the CNN anchor of Lou Dobbs Tonight. In May, the New York Times published a critical article about you, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: [inaudible]
AMY GOODMAN: It was called �Truth, Fiction and Lou Dobbs.� Columnist David Leonhardt wrote, �Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.� Leonhardt highlighted this profile about you that aired on CBS�s 60 Minutes.
LESLEY STAHL: One of the issues he tackles relentlessly is illegal immigration. And on that, his critics say his advocacy can get in the way of the facts.
LOU DOBBS: Tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria?
LESLEY STAHL: Following a report on illegals carrying diseases into the US, one of the correspondents on his show, Christine Romans, told Dobbs that there had been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US in the past three years.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: Leprosy, in this country
LOU DOBBS: Incredible.
LESLEY STAHL: We checked that and found a report issued by the US Department of Health and Human Services saying 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last thirty years, not the past three, and nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.
[interviewing Dobbs] Now, went to try and check that number, 7,000�we can�t. Just so you know�
LOU DOBBS: I can tell you this: if we reported it, it�s a fact.
LESLEY STAHL: You can�t tell me that. You did report it�
LOU DOBBS: No, I just did.
LESLEY STAHL: How can you guarantee that to me?
LOU DOBBS: Because I�m the managing editor, and that�s the way we do business. We don�t make up numbers, Lesley, do we?
AMY GOODMAN: A day after the 60 Minutes report aired, Lou Dobbs discussed the issue on his program with his reporter, the CNN reporter Christine Romans.
LOU DOBBS: Then there was a question about some of your comments, Christine, following one of your reports. I told Lesley Stahl we don�t make up numbers, and I will tell everybody here again tonight, I stand 100% behind what you said.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s right, Lou. We don�t make up numbers here. This is what we reported. We reported: �It�s interesting, because the woman in our piece told us that there were about 900 cases of leprosy for forty years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years. Leprosy, in this country.� I was quoting Dr. Madeleine Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian. Writing in The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, she said: �Hansen�s disease��that�s the other modern name, I guess, for leprosy��Hansen�s disease was so rare in America that in forty years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy,� Lou.
LOU DOBBS: It�s remarkable that this�whatever, confusion or confoundment over 7,000 cases. They actually keep a registry of cases of leprosy. And the fact that it rose was because of�one assumes, because we don�t know for sure�but two basic influences: unscreened illegal immigrants coming into this country, primarily from South Asia, and the�secondly, far better reporting.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s what Dr. Cosman told us, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: And, you know, in talking with a number of people, it�s also very clear no one knows, but nearly everyone suspects, there are far more cases of that. It is also, I think, interesting, and I think important to say, one of the reasons we screen people coming into this country is to deal with communicable diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis. The fact is, if we would just screen successfully, all of those diseases can be treated effectively, efficiently and relatively quickly.
AMY GOODMAN: That�s Lou Dobbs on the show. The source behind the claim that there was a spike of 7,000 new cases of leprosy was a controversial medical attorney named Madeleine Cosman. In 2005, she described undocumented immigrants as �deadly time bombs, because of the diseases they bring into the country.� Cosman, who died last year, has also been criticized for these comments she made about Mexican men.
MADELEINE COSMAN: Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age twelve, some as young as age five, others age three. Although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls age eleven and women up to age seventy-nine.
What is important here is the psychiatric defenses: Why do they do what they do? They do not need a jail; they need a hospital. They are depraved because they were deprived in their home country. But more important is the cultural defense: they suffer from psychiatric cognitive disjuncture, for what does a poor man do if in his home country of Mexico in his jurisdiction if rape is ranked lower than cow stealing? Of course, he will not know how to behave here in strange America. This is thoroughly reprehensible.
AMY GOODMAN: Madeleine Cosman, that�s her quote. She actually is not a medical doctor. She�s a Renaissance author and scholar of sorts. Lou Dobbs?
LOU DOBBS: What would you have me say, Amy? Because what�the reality is what you don�t say, is that Leonhardt�s piece was filled with errors. Secondly, Madeleine Cosman, as we learned following that report in Physicians and Surgeons, the publication, is precisely what you styled her: she is a wack�or was a wackjob. But the New York Times didn�t know that, either. If you would read the obituary for Madeleine Cosman in the New York Times�have you done that, by the way? She died a year ago, which was, by the way, a year after we had used her as a source in a report, along with other people. Did you read that obituary? Did you find that the New York Times had come to basically the same conclusion we had, that she was a credible source? Because if you read that obituary, it is glowing and filled with plaudits for Madeleine Cosman. And so�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, but, Lou, I think the issue�
LOU DOBBS: But I must�no, no. I am going to say this�
JUAN GONZALEZ: The issue is that we, as journalists�
LOU DOBBS: To go through a body of
JUAN GONZALEZ: �all have our own responsibility to�
LOU DOBBS: No, listen to me, Juan�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, no, no, no, no, Listen�
LOU DOBBS: �because at least we can have some civility�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Lou�
LOU DOBBS: �to go through this and try to convey that this is a body of work. I spoke for eight seconds after that report on tuberculosis and the screening of illegal immigrants into this country. For eight seconds. And you�re trying to project this as if it is reflective of a body of work. And that, I think, is�I think�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, but, Lou, the issue�
LOU DOBBS: I would hope that you would be embarrassed by that.
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, Lou, the issue is�
AMY GOODMAN: You�re the managing director of your show�
LOU DOBBS: I am the managing director.
AMY GOODMAN: �and editor of your show.
LOU DOBBS: And let me ask you a question: how many�how many people are on the registry for Hansen�s disease in this country?
JUAN GONZALEZ: 7,000, total.
LOU DOBBS: It�s over 7,000, correct.
AMY GOODMAN: For thirty years.
JUAN GONZALEZ: For thirty years.
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: You said over the last three years because of illegal immigration.
LOU DOBBS: And what did we say? Did I say because of illegal immigration?
AMY GOODMAN: Yes.
LOU DOBBS: I said no one knows, but one assumes primarily, because they�re not being screened. That�s what the doctors at the Hansen centers were telling us. Secondly, the issue of�if you want to, I mean, explode eight seconds into a whole body of discussion, fine. The reality is, I think you would agree, that if we were screening illegal immigrants, as well as legal immigrants, we would probably have a heck of a lot less in the way of tuberculosis in this country, and Hansen�s disease.
JUAN GONZALEZ: OK, Lou, I�d like to get into�take this in a much deeper perspective than just the particular fact�
LOU DOBBS: I hope so.
LOU DOBBS: [inaudible]
AMY GOODMAN: It was called �Truth, Fiction and Lou Dobbs.� Columnist David Leonhardt wrote, �Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.� Leonhardt highlighted this profile about you that aired on CBS�s 60 Minutes.
LESLEY STAHL: One of the issues he tackles relentlessly is illegal immigration. And on that, his critics say his advocacy can get in the way of the facts.
LOU DOBBS: Tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria?
LESLEY STAHL: Following a report on illegals carrying diseases into the US, one of the correspondents on his show, Christine Romans, told Dobbs that there had been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US in the past three years.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: Leprosy, in this country
LOU DOBBS: Incredible.
LESLEY STAHL: We checked that and found a report issued by the US Department of Health and Human Services saying 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last thirty years, not the past three, and nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.
[interviewing Dobbs] Now, went to try and check that number, 7,000�we can�t. Just so you know�
LOU DOBBS: I can tell you this: if we reported it, it�s a fact.
LESLEY STAHL: You can�t tell me that. You did report it�
LOU DOBBS: No, I just did.
LESLEY STAHL: How can you guarantee that to me?
LOU DOBBS: Because I�m the managing editor, and that�s the way we do business. We don�t make up numbers, Lesley, do we?
AMY GOODMAN: A day after the 60 Minutes report aired, Lou Dobbs discussed the issue on his program with his reporter, the CNN reporter Christine Romans.
LOU DOBBS: Then there was a question about some of your comments, Christine, following one of your reports. I told Lesley Stahl we don�t make up numbers, and I will tell everybody here again tonight, I stand 100% behind what you said.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s right, Lou. We don�t make up numbers here. This is what we reported. We reported: �It�s interesting, because the woman in our piece told us that there were about 900 cases of leprosy for forty years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years. Leprosy, in this country.� I was quoting Dr. Madeleine Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian. Writing in The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, she said: �Hansen�s disease��that�s the other modern name, I guess, for leprosy��Hansen�s disease was so rare in America that in forty years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy,� Lou.
LOU DOBBS: It�s remarkable that this�whatever, confusion or confoundment over 7,000 cases. They actually keep a registry of cases of leprosy. And the fact that it rose was because of�one assumes, because we don�t know for sure�but two basic influences: unscreened illegal immigrants coming into this country, primarily from South Asia, and the�secondly, far better reporting.
CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s what Dr. Cosman told us, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: And, you know, in talking with a number of people, it�s also very clear no one knows, but nearly everyone suspects, there are far more cases of that. It is also, I think, interesting, and I think important to say, one of the reasons we screen people coming into this country is to deal with communicable diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis. The fact is, if we would just screen successfully, all of those diseases can be treated effectively, efficiently and relatively quickly.
AMY GOODMAN: That�s Lou Dobbs on the show. The source behind the claim that there was a spike of 7,000 new cases of leprosy was a controversial medical attorney named Madeleine Cosman. In 2005, she described undocumented immigrants as �deadly time bombs, because of the diseases they bring into the country.� Cosman, who died last year, has also been criticized for these comments she made about Mexican men.
MADELEINE COSMAN: Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age twelve, some as young as age five, others age three. Although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls age eleven and women up to age seventy-nine.
What is important here is the psychiatric defenses: Why do they do what they do? They do not need a jail; they need a hospital. They are depraved because they were deprived in their home country. But more important is the cultural defense: they suffer from psychiatric cognitive disjuncture, for what does a poor man do if in his home country of Mexico in his jurisdiction if rape is ranked lower than cow stealing? Of course, he will not know how to behave here in strange America. This is thoroughly reprehensible.
AMY GOODMAN: Madeleine Cosman, that�s her quote. She actually is not a medical doctor. She�s a Renaissance author and scholar of sorts. Lou Dobbs?
LOU DOBBS: What would you have me say, Amy? Because what�the reality is what you don�t say, is that Leonhardt�s piece was filled with errors. Secondly, Madeleine Cosman, as we learned following that report in Physicians and Surgeons, the publication, is precisely what you styled her: she is a wack�or was a wackjob. But the New York Times didn�t know that, either. If you would read the obituary for Madeleine Cosman in the New York Times�have you done that, by the way? She died a year ago, which was, by the way, a year after we had used her as a source in a report, along with other people. Did you read that obituary? Did you find that the New York Times had come to basically the same conclusion we had, that she was a credible source? Because if you read that obituary, it is glowing and filled with plaudits for Madeleine Cosman. And so�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, but, Lou, I think the issue�
LOU DOBBS: But I must�no, no. I am going to say this�
JUAN GONZALEZ: The issue is that we, as journalists�
LOU DOBBS: To go through a body of
JUAN GONZALEZ: �all have our own responsibility to�
LOU DOBBS: No, listen to me, Juan�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, no, no, no, no, Listen�
LOU DOBBS: �because at least we can have some civility�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Lou�
LOU DOBBS: �to go through this and try to convey that this is a body of work. I spoke for eight seconds after that report on tuberculosis and the screening of illegal immigrants into this country. For eight seconds. And you�re trying to project this as if it is reflective of a body of work. And that, I think, is�I think�
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, but, Lou, the issue�
LOU DOBBS: I would hope that you would be embarrassed by that.
JUAN GONZALEZ: No, Lou, the issue is�
AMY GOODMAN: You�re the managing director of your show�
LOU DOBBS: I am the managing director.
AMY GOODMAN: �and editor of your show.
LOU DOBBS: And let me ask you a question: how many�how many people are on the registry for Hansen�s disease in this country?
JUAN GONZALEZ: 7,000, total.
LOU DOBBS: It�s over 7,000, correct.
AMY GOODMAN: For thirty years.
JUAN GONZALEZ: For thirty years.
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: You said over the last three years because of illegal immigration.
LOU DOBBS: And what did we say? Did I say because of illegal immigration?
AMY GOODMAN: Yes.
LOU DOBBS: I said no one knows, but one assumes primarily, because they�re not being screened. That�s what the doctors at the Hansen centers were telling us. Secondly, the issue of�if you want to, I mean, explode eight seconds into a whole body of discussion, fine. The reality is, I think you would agree, that if we were screening illegal immigrants, as well as legal immigrants, we would probably have a heck of a lot less in the way of tuberculosis in this country, and Hansen�s disease.
JUAN GONZALEZ: OK, Lou, I�d like to get into�take this in a much deeper perspective than just the particular fact�
LOU DOBBS: I hope so.
Googler
08-06 04:07 AM
All of this info and more is available in the documents listed in this thread:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11087
All you have to do is read them.:)
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11087
All you have to do is read them.:)
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