hpandey
06-14 12:40 PM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .
For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.
Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.
I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .
For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.
Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.
I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.
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vinzen
08-18 11:35 PM
I think you think too much...by the way this is how you communicate in your office. American would think twice even come near to you...Good defence...:D
hasnt happened yet. if it ever did, I will change my ways...slumdog.
hasnt happened yet. if it ever did, I will change my ways...slumdog.
rajeev_74
09-24 06:59 AM
for people who own or will buy homes ? We could also say that this can come from recapture but only for already or potential home owners...
brilliant idea...if some of us are able to get off the queue and give more visa numbers to others waiting helps everybody. Along with US homes being sold could add some value. Hats off to nixtor.
brilliant idea...if some of us are able to get off the queue and give more visa numbers to others waiting helps everybody. Along with US homes being sold could add some value. Hats off to nixtor.
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fide_champ
08-17 12:10 PM
These morons never learn lessons. He is insulting him self by bitching about it....the Officers are just doing their job to verify their system... Can you imagine that a foreigner coming to India might have to go through ordeal if Indian Official suspects that he is a terrorist just because his records show....He should not forget that US has such system to verify and let him go.... where is SRK and others showing some passion when similar thing happen to President Abul Kalam? where is SRK and others showing some passion when bombings happened and innocent people get killed time and time again in India. Did he called for such system in India??? Where is SRK and others showing some passion that we need to improve Education System so that we can be proud of as Indians again? These guys thinks every thing for me nothing for others. They got all the money in the world they want.. now what?? how much is enough for these guys....People like him should learn life lessons like this and try to change Indian peoples life so that they get respect around the world. I think that is better for all of us. As Indians we should teach them or remind them when they forget those values.
let's focus our discussion on the immigration system only. There are many policy holes in the indian system which might take ages to fix but i think one day we will get there. let's remember that our country india is only 62 years old.
I wonder how come they ignored all other details and went only by the last name alone while interrogating SRK. it's a little strange and they are not telling us something here.
let's focus our discussion on the immigration system only. There are many policy holes in the indian system which might take ages to fix but i think one day we will get there. let's remember that our country india is only 62 years old.
I wonder how come they ignored all other details and went only by the last name alone while interrogating SRK. it's a little strange and they are not telling us something here.
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sameer2730
01-19 11:33 AM
Just because no one can trace you on an anonymous forum please do not say anything that comes to your mind. These are hard times. Please chip in with genuine solutions else keep to yourself.
This constant battering of consulting companies is not doing any good. Yes they exist and have existed legally for a while. Do not take advantage of this memo to vent out your own frustrations. It puts us all at risk and hurts the entire image of people working on H1b especially Indians.
Most of us here are very educated (usually a Masters). Lets respect that fact and contribute to meaningful resolution. I suspect a number of anti-immigrant Indians(who are permanant residents or citizens) are on this forum (you can tell from the number of posts they made and the reds they have received). They are only trying to provoke us. Do not take the bait. Please please ignore them.
This constant battering of consulting companies is not doing any good. Yes they exist and have existed legally for a while. Do not take advantage of this memo to vent out your own frustrations. It puts us all at risk and hurts the entire image of people working on H1b especially Indians.
Most of us here are very educated (usually a Masters). Lets respect that fact and contribute to meaningful resolution. I suspect a number of anti-immigrant Indians(who are permanant residents or citizens) are on this forum (you can tell from the number of posts they made and the reds they have received). They are only trying to provoke us. Do not take the bait. Please please ignore them.
pd_recapturing
03-14 09:37 AM
I heard that if you apply on your own and move out of US, it becomes very difficult to let the Can immigration authority about your current location and keep track of all the correspondence with them. But, the agency/lawyer does this thing very efficiantly. Any opinion on this ?
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TeddyKoochu
07-22 12:36 PM
Teddy ... I like your calculation and read all your posting on Calculation thread. This is a fun thread to relax. So don't take it seriously.
If I was bad person then I will try to derail the good thread.
Iam sorry, by OP I meant the original poster of the thread (The person who wrote the first post) not yourself. Your post is perfectly ok like all and its a fun thread. You are a nice guy :). My bad in quoting your post and causing the confusion.
If I was bad person then I will try to derail the good thread.
Iam sorry, by OP I meant the original poster of the thread (The person who wrote the first post) not yourself. Your post is perfectly ok like all and its a fun thread. You are a nice guy :). My bad in quoting your post and causing the confusion.
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_TrueFacts
09-03 11:00 PM
breddy2000,
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It’s better to have none than these factionist gundas. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don’t preach like YSR’s family member that “Someone or something is better than none”
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It’s better to have none than these factionist gundas. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don’t preach like YSR’s family member that “Someone or something is better than none”
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unseenguy
06-11 07:59 PM
My intention was not to devalue the merits of the incoming batch of immigrants. As I said, around 20% of the group are truly the best and the brightest. This was the case after the dotcom crash and will most likely be the case going forward. We had the same delays, retrogressions , guaranteed employment verification RFEs etc. Immigrationportal.com used to be the immigrationvoice of the times. I do not see much difference for the techies between what was then and what is going on now in terms of delays. I see 2 dramatic changes though
1. People arent patient enough during these times. You would agree to the amount of venting going on in this site.
2. The incessant dumping of low cost of L1s by the outsourcing companies.
If you think through deeply, the second point is what is causing all the heartburn among the people waiting for their GCs. Believe me. All these extrapolated timelines that scream that getting GC today would take 10 years are all bogus. These headlines were the same then too. I can confidently say that the GC process will move fast within a year's time once the layoffs stop. It is just that can you survive till the govt policies become more rational ? That is where the argument about the best and the brightest come into place. If you are one, you would survive this and you will get your GC within 3 years. Honestly, my ntention was to calm the nerves of those people genuinely talented and waiting for their GCs. If I had missed out on that count, I think I should improve my communication. The arwinian flush was just to highlight that fact.
Makes sense now. Peace.
1. People arent patient enough during these times. You would agree to the amount of venting going on in this site.
2. The incessant dumping of low cost of L1s by the outsourcing companies.
If you think through deeply, the second point is what is causing all the heartburn among the people waiting for their GCs. Believe me. All these extrapolated timelines that scream that getting GC today would take 10 years are all bogus. These headlines were the same then too. I can confidently say that the GC process will move fast within a year's time once the layoffs stop. It is just that can you survive till the govt policies become more rational ? That is where the argument about the best and the brightest come into place. If you are one, you would survive this and you will get your GC within 3 years. Honestly, my ntention was to calm the nerves of those people genuinely talented and waiting for their GCs. If I had missed out on that count, I think I should improve my communication. The arwinian flush was just to highlight that fact.
Makes sense now. Peace.
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ita
03-31 09:34 PM
Very nice thinking..high thinking as long as you don't want to start applying this yardstick only on Modi and end it there.If we start applying no criminal background yardstick then no politician from the current brigade will be left(assuming when you say criminal background you mean all kinds of crimes)
In other words you are sitting on 6 th floor and Indian political scenario(to that matter political scenario else where too.e.g U.S) is on ground floor.
Let's start doing our best so we can get the ground floor to meet 6th floor.
Till they two meet let's work on 'every sinner has a future,every saint has a past'
Just so you know Obama was into drugs in teens. Wouldn't it be a loss if we applied your yardstick on him ?
Although you said you are not supporting any one of them since you kind of endorsed MMS in previous posts think about this
which one is evil of the two : a guy accused of committing crime in the past but who got his act together and is giving good performance or a Intelligent guy knowing full well he wouldn't wield any power accepting to be a show piece/wrapper PM and taking billion people on a ride?
I am not defending any party or person. Everybody is equally bad. Let, all the Muslims in Gujarat may start love him, and entire Gujarat may vote for him. That does not matter. My point is that those people who run for high office should not have any criminal background, despite how much qualified or skilled they are. Assume, if you involved in small domestic violence, and if you fail in small background check you will not get GC even if you are a Nobel Prize winner. Think about PM post and its responsibilities.
In other words you are sitting on 6 th floor and Indian political scenario(to that matter political scenario else where too.e.g U.S) is on ground floor.
Let's start doing our best so we can get the ground floor to meet 6th floor.
Till they two meet let's work on 'every sinner has a future,every saint has a past'
Just so you know Obama was into drugs in teens. Wouldn't it be a loss if we applied your yardstick on him ?
Although you said you are not supporting any one of them since you kind of endorsed MMS in previous posts think about this
which one is evil of the two : a guy accused of committing crime in the past but who got his act together and is giving good performance or a Intelligent guy knowing full well he wouldn't wield any power accepting to be a show piece/wrapper PM and taking billion people on a ride?
I am not defending any party or person. Everybody is equally bad. Let, all the Muslims in Gujarat may start love him, and entire Gujarat may vote for him. That does not matter. My point is that those people who run for high office should not have any criminal background, despite how much qualified or skilled they are. Assume, if you involved in small domestic violence, and if you fail in small background check you will not get GC even if you are a Nobel Prize winner. Think about PM post and its responsibilities.
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kuhelica2000
02-13 12:02 PM
That is absolutely not true. Unused visas from under subscribed countries are made available to over subscribed countries.
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samay
07-29 10:58 AM
Hello Sir,
I am in a process of getting name change for my wife on pending I485. This is because her first name is given as 'No Name Given' by USCIS on the I485 file, EAD and A.P. As she did not have first name in passport.
We recently got her name change on passport by adding my(husbands name) as SURNAME. Now we want to refelect this change on EAD and 485.
Sir, can you please let me know the process of amendment to get name change on the file. What applicaton do I need to fill, and what documents should i send with the form. Can I do it on my own or do i have to go thru a lawyer.
Your answer is highly appriciated.
Thanks,
hydubadi
You will have to draft a letter and submit all documents which you submitted for making the change on the passport. If you want assistance you can get in touch with me. These documents will include your marriage certificate, copy of your passport etc.
I am in a process of getting name change for my wife on pending I485. This is because her first name is given as 'No Name Given' by USCIS on the I485 file, EAD and A.P. As she did not have first name in passport.
We recently got her name change on passport by adding my(husbands name) as SURNAME. Now we want to refelect this change on EAD and 485.
Sir, can you please let me know the process of amendment to get name change on the file. What applicaton do I need to fill, and what documents should i send with the form. Can I do it on my own or do i have to go thru a lawyer.
Your answer is highly appriciated.
Thanks,
hydubadi
You will have to draft a letter and submit all documents which you submitted for making the change on the passport. If you want assistance you can get in touch with me. These documents will include your marriage certificate, copy of your passport etc.
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dilipcr
06-12 03:24 AM
dilipcr ....... I am perplexed by your responses. To be honest you are flip flopping in your statements. Now if you lose job, please do not come to India seeking a job as PIO. or dual citizen. Should India be also closing doors on her children who showed her backside?
Unseenguy,
I am fairly confident, touch wood, that I would not be dependent on India for a handout. I have paid my debts to the Indian society by investing in India. I did not graduate out of an IIT but I did graduate out of the 2nd best engineering college (atleast then) in Rajasthan, India. I am sure you guys would have guessed it by now. Just for the record, I had to pay full expensive tuition and my education was not subsidized. By my responsible style of life, I believe that I have become a self made man and so would hopefully be of material help but not a public burden to India. be rest assured !!!
Unseenguy,
I am fairly confident, touch wood, that I would not be dependent on India for a handout. I have paid my debts to the Indian society by investing in India. I did not graduate out of an IIT but I did graduate out of the 2nd best engineering college (atleast then) in Rajasthan, India. I am sure you guys would have guessed it by now. Just for the record, I had to pay full expensive tuition and my education was not subsidized. By my responsible style of life, I believe that I have become a self made man and so would hopefully be of material help but not a public burden to India. be rest assured !!!
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immigrant2007
08-19 02:44 AM
Wrong guess, what all can i say?
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smuggymba
01-25 02:52 PM
From the day I came to this country , I have spent around $12,000 on immigration including H1-Bs, filing GC, APs, EADs extra. Not to mention the traveling for visa stamps and whole other shit load of expenses. I guess most of people who paid for filing GC did spent same amount of money.
Hell ya, Some one got to be benefiting from my $12000.
I thought we're not supposed to pay for H1 and GC. Correct me if I'm wrong? I guess we can only pay for the visa appointment fee.
Hell ya, Some one got to be benefiting from my $12000.
I thought we're not supposed to pay for H1 and GC. Correct me if I'm wrong? I guess we can only pay for the visa appointment fee.
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captain
03-26 01:18 AM
Hello All,
I have one question.My employer is pursuing me to go for labor substitution
which is filied in Feb 2004.I got my H1 from Oct 2006.My skill sets and experience is matching with the orginal labor application.
It is not approved labor, but just labor application(EB3 application).
Can anyone tell me the time required to get name transfer on original labor application ? and whether it is beneficial to go for it instead of filing under PERM process.
Thanks in advance
Captain
I have one question.My employer is pursuing me to go for labor substitution
which is filied in Feb 2004.I got my H1 from Oct 2006.My skill sets and experience is matching with the orginal labor application.
It is not approved labor, but just labor application(EB3 application).
Can anyone tell me the time required to get name transfer on original labor application ? and whether it is beneficial to go for it instead of filing under PERM process.
Thanks in advance
Captain
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NKR
02-14 09:17 AM
Sorry for pasting the below post in the wrong thread, but I thought that people not residing in MI will have the tendency to by pass the thread that WD's post was in. I felt that we need to recognize and appreciate the efforts of people who worked towards this issue. If I remember right, Mark, WD and others took their time off to testify in state senate.
Immigration Voice in Detroit News
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http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...802140325/1008
"One member of Immigration Voice, a group of foreign-born professionals in the United States, describes how he came to America in 1999 as an international student and was later hired on an H-1B temporary visa. His green card application has been pending for years. He has not visited his home country for five years and recently moved to Michigan from Missouri for work reasons.
"My Missouri license will expire in days, and I can't get a Michigan driver's license. I can't walk 11 miles to work in this cold weather, since there is no bus service and I can't take time off to go to my home country" to attempt to obtain an "international" driver's license."
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MI Chapter testimony in State Senate ( Driving License issue) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAcgeyjZ3qY
Immigration Voice in Detroit News
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http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...802140325/1008
"One member of Immigration Voice, a group of foreign-born professionals in the United States, describes how he came to America in 1999 as an international student and was later hired on an H-1B temporary visa. His green card application has been pending for years. He has not visited his home country for five years and recently moved to Michigan from Missouri for work reasons.
"My Missouri license will expire in days, and I can't get a Michigan driver's license. I can't walk 11 miles to work in this cold weather, since there is no bus service and I can't take time off to go to my home country" to attempt to obtain an "international" driver's license."
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MI Chapter testimony in State Senate ( Driving License issue) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAcgeyjZ3qY
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ramaonline
06-01 03:09 PM
Thanks for the post
I have been working here for 9 years and next year we plan to return back to India. I spoke to SSN customer service to find out my retirement and survivor benefits. Being an Indian citizen, all these are available only if me, or my dependants, have a valid residing status with the US, at the time of making the application. The contribution at this point is like getting a right to work.
Per the current grey SS Rules, you cannot claim SS benefits on retirement if you are an Indian citizen residing in India at the time of filing the claim. (Even if you have accumulated 40 credits)
I have been working here for 9 years and next year we plan to return back to India. I spoke to SSN customer service to find out my retirement and survivor benefits. Being an Indian citizen, all these are available only if me, or my dependants, have a valid residing status with the US, at the time of making the application. The contribution at this point is like getting a right to work.
Per the current grey SS Rules, you cannot claim SS benefits on retirement if you are an Indian citizen residing in India at the time of filing the claim. (Even if you have accumulated 40 credits)
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samay
07-15 07:09 PM
Hi,
I found that priority date field on my I-140 receipt is empty. Will this create any problem??
I filed concurrently lasy july and MY PD will be current next month. I applied at NSC but got transferred to TSC.
Thanks for the answers
Your priority date is the date of your filing of your labor certification. Therefore, lack of the priority date on your I-140 receipt should not matter. Best of luck!
I found that priority date field on my I-140 receipt is empty. Will this create any problem??
I filed concurrently lasy july and MY PD will be current next month. I applied at NSC but got transferred to TSC.
Thanks for the answers
Your priority date is the date of your filing of your labor certification. Therefore, lack of the priority date on your I-140 receipt should not matter. Best of luck!
GCVictim
08-24 11:48 PM
Dear Immigration Attorney,
Can I out of US with old AP and returned with new (renewed) AP?
Can I out of US with old AP and returned with new (renewed) AP?
sumagiri
07-23 02:23 PM
I did some analysis on numbers used at thread
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20098
(post 1 and 60)
Used visa number is 120-130K (until July end including CP allocation for the year). If we assume there are 171k visa for this year (vldrao analysis) we are close to 40K visa pending.
Again no one has enough data to predict accurately the numbers, but it should be between 15-45K for Aug/Sept. Since EB1 and EB2-ROW was current most of the time, i would guess a large portion of this number should rollover to EB2 India/China.
There is an excellent analysis. Great job !. However , there is a little contradiction in the analysis. There are 171,000 visas (as said in the post) because there is a spill over from FB to EB. This spill over should also go to EB3. In that case EB3 should open up for its 28.6% share. If that happens, again there will be lot of recalculations. Got my point !.
Any way, one thing that we all agree is that EB2 got excellent share this year and has very good chance to become current soon. Being in EB2, that is a good for you & me.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20098
(post 1 and 60)
Used visa number is 120-130K (until July end including CP allocation for the year). If we assume there are 171k visa for this year (vldrao analysis) we are close to 40K visa pending.
Again no one has enough data to predict accurately the numbers, but it should be between 15-45K for Aug/Sept. Since EB1 and EB2-ROW was current most of the time, i would guess a large portion of this number should rollover to EB2 India/China.
There is an excellent analysis. Great job !. However , there is a little contradiction in the analysis. There are 171,000 visas (as said in the post) because there is a spill over from FB to EB. This spill over should also go to EB3. In that case EB3 should open up for its 28.6% share. If that happens, again there will be lot of recalculations. Got my point !.
Any way, one thing that we all agree is that EB2 got excellent share this year and has very good chance to become current soon. Being in EB2, that is a good for you & me.
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